AUSTRALIAN CLASSIC RIFLE STOCKS
Frequently Asked Questions
And Important Notices
I am interested in your product. What are the advantages? Australian Classic Rifle Stocks is dedicated to the customer getting a premier quality machined walnut stock, with improved classic design and handling features. You can deal direct with an actual stock maker with over 15 years of full-time experience.
Why does this business exist? Demand for my custom stocks quickly out-stripped my ability to make enough of them. Other stock makers also asked that I machine their blanks for them, even making patterns for them. An excess of walnut blanks, a "library" of custom patterns, and quality machining led to me being asked to machine stocks for others, starting 15 years ago (time of writing 2020).
How do I select a pattern? I have hundreds of patterns. To start with look at the ACRS Classic Stock Range and then the Pattern List for an idea of patterns. This aspect of the site is still in development, so please contact me with queries.
What is left for me to do on a machined stock? The stock still needs final hand fitting to be done to the action inlet, which needs requisite skills, or the will to learn them. Stocks are generally machined with +0.025" extra wood on the outside, and slightly tight on the inlet. After fitting your metalwork, detail shaping, fitting of stock furniture, final sanding, finishing and checkering are required. A quality machined stock does not preclude ability required in fitting and finishing - but it makes a quality job much more easily. I do not offer "drop in fit" inlets. I focus on supplying customers who seek to work at the more demanding levels required to obtain a quality final result - and who appreciate options in style and fitting dimensions. My Blog entry of 15 May 2021 discusses this further.
What grading and walnut blank selection do you have? I have a fantastic selection of walnut. It's up to your budget and taste. You can select for a working grade rifle, a neat sporting rifle, a beautiful elegant classic rifle, or an exhibition or museum grade piece. The grading system I use has been used in Australia for many years, and is explained in brief on the Walnut Grades page.
What is production lead time for a machined stock made from one of your patterns? Unless I have a suitable stock machined ready for sale, expect 3-4 weeks. The reason for this is simple - I run this business part time. That also fits in pretty well given that I "rest" a stock both after band-sawing to profile, and machining oversize. After final machining, the stock is again checked for movement before shipping.
How do I order? When to Call? I spend most of my working time in a noisy machine shop environment. If you are serious about purchasing please call Monday to Friday 2.30p.m. to 5.30p.m. - or send an email with your job details. I may not answer or reply immediately - in this business that is not possible.
I sent an enquiry via this sites submission form, and did not get a response. Why? Normally this is because my reply has been returned to my email inbox as undeliverable/undelivered, and no contact telephone number was provided. Please check your email system will accept my email address. If you have not received a reply from me, call me on 0401 442 768. The number and hours to contact me are both on the Contact page.
- Whether amateur or professional, appropriate knowledge and experience is required to fit a stock to a firearm adequately, including to ensure the firearm operates safely and correctly thereafter. Incorrect fitting may possibly result in an un-safe or dangerous firearm. Whether a customer, or third party employed by the customer, persons fitting ACRS machined stocks must be able to achieve this and are directly responsible for doing so. It is the sole responsibility of the Customer for making themselves fully aware of relevant Laws pertaining to re-stocking and otherwise working on firearms in their State or Territory. If in doubt, ask the Police! Australian Classic Rifle Stocks will not deal with persons or entities not capable of ensuring these important issues are correctly attended to, and ACRS assumes that if you proceed it is an acknowledgement that you, the Customer, accept these responsibilities.
- In the past, many people have sent me machined stock jobs with no prior discussion or agreement. I will no longer accept any job on these terms. This applies equally to private, or "Trade" customers - no exceptions.
MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS
How/Why did you start machining stocks? My early stock making was strictly a hobby, stocking my own rifles from-the-block. I received great encouragement from local retired custom stock maker / knife maker, Max Kershaw. Renowned Australian stock maker Geoff Slee saw some of the early stocks I'd cut from the block with hand tools. We spent time working together cutting blanks, hunting, and discussing the technical aspects of stock making. In time my hobby got very serious and I worked towards a plan to go into business. Geoff very kindly offered to teach me all he could from 2003 to 2005 before I set my first duplicator up. More dedicated mentorship continued after I went into business, from 2006 until late 2009. I am the only person Geoff chose to pass his full working knowledge to. I gained a solid foundation in machining stocks as well as most other aspects of the work. Combining - to best advantage possible - stock making both by hand and by machine has and always will be a strong focus at ACRS.
Do you mill walnut trees? Yes, when suitable trees present. I have been cutting and seasoning blanks for over 20 years. Recovering only the best possible blanks from a tree is my goal, not the maximum number or maximum profit from a tree. I also have in far smaller volume, walnut blanks from other countries from very carefully chosen suppliers.
How are your walnut blanks stored over time? Rifle blanks are never stacked except for transport, and are either racked or stood on-end with plenty of air flow - this allows the blank to move as it settles and reaches equilibrium of moisture content and tension/stresses. I prefer not to stack two-piece blanks, but when it must be done great care is taken to avoid uneven tension in the stacks, any stacks are kept low to reduce weight from above, and they are rotated regularly with plenty of air flow. Blanks are allowed exposure to full seasonal moisture and temperature extremes for a minimum of 10 years before final dressing and storage. Blanks are cut from slabs as soon as is practical - this makes for blanks of maximum stability in my experience, provided they are seasoned and stored well.
Can I supply my own Walnut blank to be machined? Yes, however please realise I have not had the responsibility of ensuring correct drying, seasoning and storage. Thus I cannot be held responsible for the stability of the end product. Blank quality varies from supplier to supplier, sometimes greatly. I will not agree to the use of a blank until I have physically inspected it for apparent suitability - again, I have no way of confirming it's treatment and seasoning. If an "outside" blank is found to be flawed during the machining process, the customer is liable for my labour up to the point it is returned.
Why is there so much variation for machining labour prices on your purchasing page? Different action inlets vary in complexity and time required to complete them. Similarly, outside shapes vary considerably in the time required to machine them. For example, fine details like tear-drop finials on a side panel with a shadow line take extra time and quite some care to machine cleanly. The number of cutter/collet changes required to complete the stock varies, which affects the time taken to complete the stock. The fixtures required to mount the stock for duplication vary considerably with various action types/makes/models, and two piece stocks require two work pieces and patterns be mounted to complete the job. Many jobs require the use of a steady rest(s), which again adds to the time taken to complete the job. I machine a job in my own wood at a fixed quoted price. "Outside" blanks vary greatly in texture and stability and are charged at an hourly rate in 30 minute intervals.
I have broken my rifle stock. Do I need to send you mine? Possibly. Please bear in mind: "I don't want to make gun handles, I like to make guns handle". I have many improved stock patterns/designs for many of the firearms out there that are commonly used for building custom rifles.
Will you duplicate from my custom pattern? Pattern quality is critical to the outcome of a machined stock. I have completed a fair bit of such work, and I have learned that most people, even many "pros" don't glass in their metalwork such that the pattern is true. It may look spot-on, but has it been proved so? Twisted, canted, askew inlets, actions bent under uneven bedding, off-set bottom metal - these have been the norm from patterns sent in. Fitting up is demanding enough, without the extra hardship fitting up a stock duplicated faithfully but from a poorly prepared pattern. I will not duplicate poorly made patterns, but very much enjoy doing work for others when a decent pattern is presented.
I have a poorly prepared pattern, that I want re-worked - will you do it? Perhaps. I get asked this a LOT. I've re-worked, re-built, re-made many botched patterns sent to me for duplication. Such work needs to be in-hand to be assessed and often it is difficult to quote the number of hours involved until the work is completed.
Are you able to duplicate a pattern without marking it? This can almost always be done, provided the pattern stock is properly prepared. It takes extra time, thus the job will be proportionately more expensive. Please enquire.
I have been told a duplicator is not accurate enough to precisely duplicate side-lock stocks, bar-in-wood stocks, very slender stocks etc. Is this true? No it's not true, provided the pattern, machine, operator and blank are all suitable. I enjoy the challenging jobs most of all - it seems it's more than half of what I get asked to do nowadays. Each complex job must be assessed on an individual basis. I am careful whom I do some jobs for, if they require skills well above what is required when fitting and finishing a magazine rifle stock of average difficulty.
What tolerances do you hold? Machine is built, aligned and maintained to machine a total error of no more than 0.002" in any axis over the full length of travel. Periodically I run test pieces copied from a master pattern designed to test this. The copy is then assayed for tolerance and any errors in alignment are corrected. I do my best to employ sound metrology to quantify this. A decent grounding in the science of measuring within a graduate degree proved very helpful, and application and improvement of those principals in this work is an area of constant attention. The devil is in the detail in this aspect of the work. Here we have a slender pattern prone to deflection and a vibrating, a slender work piece also prone to deflection and a machine which must move freely on several slide ways. It takes a good machine shop to support the machine and a lot of experience to hold those tolerances.
I can get machined stocks cheaper elsewhere. Can you justify the extra charge? Precision machining, quality materials and requisite experience. I factor in the same rates when machining a custom stock for a customer.
Can you build me a completed, checkered and finished bespoke stock? Yes - however I have a backlog of such work and currently, I am not taking commissions. A typical job involves 80-150 hours labour, plus blank and stock furniture.
Do you make complete high-grade custom rifles? I have in the past, and currently have a backlog. I am not taking orders. The time involved in every single aspect of a quality bespoke rifle will total into the hundreds of hours in labor costs.
What are your favorite rifle calibers? I've got a soft spot for the .257 Roberts, .300H&H, .450 Rigby, .577NE and many others. I care much more about the handling and balance of a rifle than the cartridge it digests, within reason.
What is your favorite pastime, and evening drink? Favorite pastimes are family, exploring remote wilderness, game biology, meat hunting and game cookery. After hours an occasional cask strength, peaty single malt is good medicine.